Posts by l p

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Deprogramming kids when JWs came knocking

by RayPublisher in

so i had my two daughters with me this weekend (their jw mom has them the next one) and it was saturday morning around 10am and i said let's have a short "daddy school" on how to do research on the internet.

so they were plopped on each side of me and my laptop and i was inbetween and was showing them how you can type in "jehovah's witnesses" or "watchtower society" and get lots of vids off youtube on these things and that they can always do their own research if they have any questions on the things they hear at the kh when their mother takes them.. so we were watching one and right then there was a knock at the door and it was two teenage jw girls (from a neighboring cong) offering the magazines... very funny!

my oldest got rid of them and they were giggling and laughing about how weird it was that they would show up right then.. the jws are popping up everywhere in my life lately, ie, at the store, at the mall, at the gym, etc.

l p

Hi,

i don't agree with the last poster. The children are being brain washed to think a certain way and stunt the development of critical thinking skills.

You are doing the right thing by showing them where they can go to get information. They will then search when they are ready and read as much as they need to at that time.

It will also be important for them to feel that they can talk to their father, bec as they grow they will be hearing that everyone that is not a JW or leaves will be killed. Their father will be able to address this and reassure them that it is rubbish and try to prevent any of the damage the religion and mother will inflict on the children.

Im 35 and what i have suffered is that my thinking skills are stunted. I am a very black and white thinker. I also have absolutely no imagination, and creativity. This I attribute to the religion in the engraining of certain ways of thinking and the deprivation of any fairy tales and imaginatory stories.

LP

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Remember the Story about a Month Ago RE the Woman Who Murdered Her Two Children?

by jamiebowers in

jw
friends

i have received correspondence from a jw in ontario canada.

the following is background information regarding the sinclair family and their adult children.

their son, scott left the cult and committed suicide.

l p

The thing about this case is that her defense will be hard pressed getting an expert psychiatrist to lay the blame on the trauma from the cult.

This mother would have had post partum psychosis which would have lead her to do this as she would have lost touch with reality.

A psychiatrist would likely put it all down to a post partum psychosis with a depressive illness.

What is known in mental health is that post partum depression can be preceeded by antenatal depression if left untreated. Post partum depression if left untreated ( treated ineffectively) can lead to post partum psychosis.

However, what is often unstated is that women who suffer antenatal depression and/or post partum depression usually have 'stressors', 'stress' or 'trauma' etc. In other words there are precipitating factors.

And in this poor ladies case is she has suffered 2 traumas 1. her brothers suicide 2. being completely shunned by her mother and family. Without getting the appropriate professional help to treat the reactive depression from these events, has crescendoed her health into a state where she would have had no concept of reality.

It is commonly published that women with antenatal and postnatal depression not only need effective medical treatment, but they need support and care from family including extended family. This poor lady didn't have any.

When she does get well and come out of the psychosis if not already ( these things take time on treatment) she will be devasted about her actions and traumatised and tormented by what she has done.

I feel terribly sad for this poor mum (not to discount those 2 children and their father).

Lp

21

Threats for leaving

by l p in

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friends

i have been out since 2002. i have absolutely nothing to do with the borg.. in the last week i have been threatened twice by 2 different witlesses.

the first one in an email said: 'you know what the consequences are for leaving the organisation'.. i took absolute offense to this for a few reasons.

firstly, threatening someone is against the law.

l p

Punk: thanks for your replies. Its good to hear what happens to other people, and no you didn't hijack the thread. Post more!

Thanks everyone for your comments..it is really disgusting that they teach that people are not deserving of life but that of death due to imperfection inherited from Adam. The damage that this has on its members and those that eventually manage to escape their clutches is insurmountable. There are so many JW's being treated for depression and so many on leaving need the care of a professional to support them through the trauma.

I work as a nurse and as I use to hear these things at the meeting I never agreed with their teachings because its against everything you're taught to do and uphold in healthcare, i.e everyone is deserving of life (the extents we go to to preserve life and save life), the dignity we accord our patients with (versus the dignity that is stripped off people getting them to confess so called sins, and the inquisitions that occur in JC on abuse/victims), that people have a right to decide for themselves (so patients are empowered to speak out for themselves and their rights are protected and maintained by nursing staff), that patients and family are empowered by educating them with knowledge so that they can make their own informed decision (if it comes to the attention of nursing staff that the patient is being manipulated by family or significant other strategies are employed to get the patient on their own and making their own decision).

As you can see there is a complete contradiction of the life I lived..One thing at work and another in the borg. I use to try to twist the teachings of the borg to make them more palatable and acceptable. I would imagine this would be common amongst R&F.

Lp

21

Threats for leaving

by l p in

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friends

i have been out since 2002. i have absolutely nothing to do with the borg.. in the last week i have been threatened twice by 2 different witlesses.

the first one in an email said: 'you know what the consequences are for leaving the organisation'.. i took absolute offense to this for a few reasons.

firstly, threatening someone is against the law.

l p

So Punk,

what did you do? Did you submit?...please say no...i would have got an AVO after you told them the first time you didn't want any contact with them...i told them after i left when they were persuing me that: "I do not want any contact on the phone, in person, in writing or email" ...they replied: thats ok we don't want you to think we are harrassing you...but i planned to get an avo...they left me alone since...we'll see how long that lasts...i know they would like to hunt me down...they've tried a couple of times...but i dont play the games with them...

Lp

21

Threats for leaving

by l p in

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friends

i have been out since 2002. i have absolutely nothing to do with the borg.. in the last week i have been threatened twice by 2 different witlesses.

the first one in an email said: 'you know what the consequences are for leaving the organisation'.. i took absolute offense to this for a few reasons.

firstly, threatening someone is against the law.

l p

nope...

but just for the record...if there is a god...i have a problem with him....he is responsible for all the shit that has happened to everyone over the years and allows all the wars in his name...

a crazy idea i have is to get the UN court to take god to court to sue him for crimes against humanity as he is the authority to stop them but hasn't....

and then conversely...he might be declared as dead by that court...ie if a person goes missing for that length of time they are declared dead...Well he has been missing in 'inaction' for yonks!

Crazy I know...but you got to admit i have a point...

Lp

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Threats for leaving

by l p in

jw
friends

i have been out since 2002. i have absolutely nothing to do with the borg.. in the last week i have been threatened twice by 2 different witlesses.

the first one in an email said: 'you know what the consequences are for leaving the organisation'.. i took absolute offense to this for a few reasons.

firstly, threatening someone is against the law.

l p

Thanks Paul

No they didn't enlarge, but after 22 years of indoctrination they didn't need to enlarge. I know what they teach. I just said I didnt appreciate the loaded threats. That this is totally unacceptable..bla bla bla...apparently it really shook her to her core...about time they bloody have a close look at what they are promoting

Lp

21

Threats for leaving

by l p in

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friends

i have been out since 2002. i have absolutely nothing to do with the borg.. in the last week i have been threatened twice by 2 different witlesses.

the first one in an email said: 'you know what the consequences are for leaving the organisation'.. i took absolute offense to this for a few reasons.

firstly, threatening someone is against the law.

l p

I have been out since 2002. I have absolutely nothing to do with the borg.

In the last week I have been threatened twice by 2 different witlesses. The first one in an email said: 'you know what the consequences are for leaving the organisation'.

I took absolute offense to this for a few reasons. Firstly, threatening someone is against the law. It is a crime. And this threat that you will die for leaving the organisation is farking unacceptable, inhumane, and a crime. Secondly, no one deserves to die (even though they teach that no one deserves life). I replied to this threat by saying I didn't appreciate it and that is the same things that cults do to stop people leaving. I then told this idiot to google 'cult characteristics' or 'cult 101' - they are secular websites so they arent apostate and learn what the characterstics of cults are. I said there are about 7 or 8 criteria, and that if she did an honest evaluatiion she would see that the WTBTS meets all criteria.

Then the second person calls on my door. Admits to pioneering this month and trying to get time in..Great I was just a time filler. She apologised for hearing that my mum died. She then said "jehovah will remember her, was she still strong in the truth, in good standing?' I didn't reply as my mother left hte borg with me. I nearly went through the roof as this fucking religion is telling me that my mother doesnt deserve to live bec she isn't in the borg.

I hate this organisation as they are completely INHUMANE, NASTY, OFFENSIVE and are in the same league as extremist MUSLIMS.

I swear if the elders try hunting me down, Im going to get an AVO.

LP

46

Need some help!!!!! URGENT

by sinis in

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friends

my wifes mother recently passed away, and it has devastated my wife.

the family, who are not witnesses, but out of respect for the deceased, and who was a jw, had the ceremony at the kingdum hell, which almost made me throw up... last time i ever step foot in that place.

i felt like a vampire on the threshold of a church, as i looked into the interior hall feeling my skin burn and start to smoke... anyways, as i have posted on here before a friend of my wife, has in the past, sent her (my wife) emails about going back to the kingdumb hell.

l p

I completely understand where you are coming from. However your wife does have the right to talk with who ever she chooses. Having said that, I found myself in a similar circumstance in relation to my mum. In this situation I did intervene. I'll explain:

My mum left the borg with my sister and I around 2002-3. Since leaving we built up a good family unit, even though we were adult children. We were considered what do they call the split family in the 'truth'. ie dad wasn't a witness. Anyway since leaving it was good. My mum was the happiest she had ever been. While in she had been on and off antidepressants. Since leaving no need, just plain happy. Then tragically in 2009 she had a subarachnoid bleed in her head ( a massive stroke due to an aneurysm). It was graded as the worst and not expected for her to survive and if she did she would have major deficits.

Since we left the borg none of the JWs ever kept contact with us. But when my mum fell ill, the JWs heard about this and one of them an elder tried to pass himself off as her pastor at the hospital when she was in intensive care. I think they were trying to see is she was having a blood transfusion. We told the nurses there that he was not a pastor and that he does not have permission to visit her. The hospital ramped up extra security because he kept coming back and saying shit and he was spoken to by the hospital. He was the local elder for the hospital like a chaplain.

Then my mum miraculously recovered with vertually no deficits.

She was sent to rehab and the JW's found out. They started visiting and leaving WT and Awake mags. I took them without my mum noticing and threw them out. I spoke with my dad and got him to stand up for the first time against the religion and call one of the elders in the cong and tell himn that they are to make an announcement at the kingdum hell that no JW's are to visit mum. That she needs privacy as she is still recovering and deserves dignity. Also dad went off at him and told him that she has a head injury and is vulnerable and he does not want them using emotional blackmale on mum trying to get her back into the religion. And also that the use of guilt that the religion uses is not appropriate and will have a huge affect on her rehabilitation.

Dad got totally stuck into them, thankfully because I once being one of them couldn't bec Ive avoided being D'ed..

But it worked out well, they stopped visiting.

So having gone through this I totally understand. But your wife has all her faculties, although being vulnerable due to greiving. You need to talk to her too. Look after your marriage and nuture the relationship you have so that it is strong so those bastards can't get in between it.

Lp

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Watchtower on Global Indexing & ETFs

by TJ Curioso in

follow the link and see the list of participants who stated (p.4 - end of the list/right side):.

http://www.imn.org/2012/etm1324/pdfs/etm1324_prospectus.pdf.

amaze yourself, because it is only as the chief investment officer of the watchtower bible and tract society!.

l p

Can I just ask, their name on the list - is that just a list of people that are attending the conference?

Lp

50

holding off on my baptism???

by madcow78596 in

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friends

so i've been studying with jws since april 2011.

1 year later i decide to become an unbaptized publisher and take steps toward dedicating myself to jehovah.

i'm a single working mother of 2 with what i will call a very "colored" past.

l p

Hi Madcow,

Can I say to you to move away from this organisation. I like others here have seen it destroy families. This is inhumane and fundamentally wrong.

This is a breach of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. See http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a12

Article 12 states: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

This simply means everyone has a right to have a relationship with their family member without anyones interference or control.

It is not right to shun anyone, its rude manners and especially your own family. Do you know one aspect of Domestic Violence is to 'out' a family member from the rest of the family etc. So this practice of shunning a disfellowshipped person simply because they don't share the same point of view as you is violence. And domestic violence is against the law.

Can I beg you from one single mother to another, please DON'T get involved in this cult (google 'cult characteristics' - learn what a cult is and if you have trouble understanding these terms, ask the members on this board for their opinions.

Another thing, you changed your life. No one else. However, the organisation strips its members, you, of any confidence in self so that you think you are not strong enough to do anything. Lots of people turn their life around - and you are one of them. Good for you!

Take care

Lp